Donald Trump Lied, and Mike Pence Could Have Died

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The New Abnormal hosts recorded late, after the Jan. 6 committee’s latest blockbuster hearing, where, co-host Andy Levy says, “We found out today that the mob in the capital came within 40 feet of [Vice President Pence] at one point while they were transporting him to the secure location. That sounds pretty terrifying considering, we have to remember, this is the mob that was chanting “Hang Mike Pence.’”

Later, co-host Molly Jong Fast says, “I feel like the top line is when did the president know and what did he know it? He knew it, and he still tried to do it.”

Indeed, says Jonathan Allen, senior NBC News politics reporter and co-author of Lucky: How Joe Biden Barely Won the Presidency, “I think that it may be a mistake to look at anything that happened as particularly accidental. I’m always sort of torn a little bit when I talk to voters who are kind of like Jan. 6 deniers, because I think most of them aren’t denying that Trump was trying to hold power. I think they’re denying that it was bad.”

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